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		<title>Affsum Session: NY Tax Laws &#8211; Issues &amp; Solutions</title>
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<p>Unfortunately I was a bit late to this session today, but I got a lot of good info in the 40 minutes I did attend.  The panel consisted of:</p>
<ul>
<li>Adam Riemer, Director of Marketing &amp; Client Relations, <a title="Downtown Ecommerce Partners" href="http://www.downtownecommerce.com/" target="_blank">Downtown Ecommerce Partners</a> (Moderator)</li>
<li>Chris Henger, Group Product Manager, <a title="Google Affiliate Network" href="http://www.google.com/ads/affiliatenetwork/" target="_blank">Google Affiliate Network</a></li>
<li>Kim Rodgers, Affiliate Manager, <a title="4Checks.com" href="http://4checks.com/" target="_blank">4Checks.com</a></li>
<li>Melanie Seery, Affiliate, <a title="NY Affiliate Voice" href="http://nyaffiliatevoice.com/" target="_blank">NY Affiliate Voice</a></li>
<li>Clarke D. Walton, Internet Lawyer, <a title="Walton Law Firm" href="http://waltonweblaw.com/" target="_blank">Walton Law Firm, P.C.</a></li>
</ul>
<p><img class="alignleft" style="border: 0pt none; margin: 10px; float: left;" src="http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/american-law.jpg" alt="american-law" width="149" height="119" />First I do have to comment on the panelists &#8211; I had the pleasure of hearing a session at ASW08 where Clarke spoke on internet taxes in relation to affiliates and I have to tell you &#8211; this is the kind of lawyer you want in your Rolodex.  He&#8217;s extremely internet and tech savvy, which is always good when you&#8217;re talking about internet law.  He has experience doing affiliate marketing himself, so he can totally relate to your issues.  And he clearly knows his stuff.</p>
<p>Speaking of really knowing their stuff, Kim Rodgers is the ace affiliate manager who really knows what she&#8217;s doing, and has built her program up SO much it&#8217;s phenomenal.  I had the pleasure of sitting with her last night at the Affiliate Dinner (more on that later) and she really is a great AM and has the unique experience of being in the position of a company that initially culled their NY affiliates and now, after some changes internally, are able to welcome them back and have to regain their business (not to mention their trust).</p>
<p>So, the bullet point review of the panel:</p>
<ul>
<li>Networks can&#8217;t really give any advice to affiliates legally, so they&#8217;ve pretty much had to stay out of it.</li>
<li>Early in July, California explored the NY law and determined that affiliates don&#8217;t prove nexus, hence pretty much saying the opposite of what NY is.  Hopefully for those of us in California this means that they&#8217;ve gotten it out of their heads to try to mimic this.</li>
<li>Late in July the NY state senate approved a motion to repeal the tax, so while there&#8217;s not much news about this yet it&#8217;s a step in the right direction in terms of a repeal.</li>
<li>It&#8217;s important for affiliates to be willing to comply and work with their merchants to get through this and maintain a good relationship.</li>
<li>Affiliates in NY will have to give up a little privacy (like their NY address) in an effort to comply.</li>
<li>Merchants can simply add a small paragraph into their terms of service that NY based affiliates need to agree to specifically to comply with laws.</li>
<li>Affiliate managers need to follow up with the NY affiliates to make sure they&#8217;ve read the modified TOS and agree.</li>
<li>Merchants who kicked NY affiliates right away probably have a better chance of wooing them back than merchants who waited until the middle of June and then deactivated the NY affiliates retroactive to May 31st.  Melanie&#8217;s opinion?  &#8220;They don&#8217;t have a prayer.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Some take-home answers from the open Q&amp;A:</p>
<ul>
<li>The law applies to merchants based in Canada as well  (unfortunately I couldn&#8217;t hear if they said it applied to international merchants too).</li>
<li>The law is not clear if nexus is established when a merchant has affiliates who make $10,000 per year <strong>aggregate</strong> or <strong>per affiliate</strong>.</li>
<li>Affiliate managers should <strong>not</strong> encourage their affiliates to incorporate their businesses in other states.  This is a poor work around (it&#8217;s not a solution) since, well, what if that state&#8217;s next to adopt a similar law?  You can&#8217;t keep reincorporating and it&#8217;s basically fraudulent anyway.</li>
<li>The state of Washington has come close with a similar law affecting internet sales and taxes.  Formerly, the tax rate on an internet sale was calculated based on where the merchant is located.  Now, it&#8217;s calculated based on where the order is shipping to.  This only applies within the state &#8211; for now.  (As an aside, I know that the California law is already like this and bases tax assessment on the shipping address, being that <a title="PsPrint" href="/urge/psprint.php" target="_blank">PsPrint</a> is based in California).</li>
<li>The federal government is also looking into these laws since we are talking about interstate commerce and may make a move soon, but it&#8217;s hard to say in what direction that move will be.</li>
</ul>
<p>If you caught anything I didn&#8217;t (ahem <a title="11|15 Media" href="http://www.1115media.com/" target="_blank">11|15 Media&#8217;s</a> Michael Buechele), please share with the rest of us!</p>
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<p>Unfortunately I was a bit late to this session today, but I got a lot of good info in the 40 minutes I did attend.  The panel consisted of:</p>
<ul>
<li>Adam Riemer, Director of Marketing &amp; Client Relations, <a title="Downtown Ecommerce Partners" href="http://www.downtownecommerce.com/" target="_blank">Downtown Ecommerce Partners</a> (Moderator)</li>
<li>Chris Henger, Group Product Manager, <a title="Google Affiliate Network" href="http://www.google.com/ads/affiliatenetwork/" target="_blank">Google Affiliate Network</a></li>
<li>Kim Rodgers, Affiliate Manager, <a title="4Checks.com" href="http://4checks.com/" target="_blank">4Checks.com</a></li>
<li>Melanie Seery, Affiliate, <a title="NY Affiliate Voice" href="http://nyaffiliatevoice.com/" target="_blank">NY Affiliate Voice</a></li>
<li>Clarke D. Walton, Internet Lawyer, <a title="Walton Law Firm" href="http://waltonweblaw.com/" target="_blank">Walton Law Firm, P.C.</a></li>
</ul>
<p><img class="alignleft" style="border: 0pt none; margin: 10px; float: left;" src="http://www.weirdthings.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/american-law.jpg" alt="american-law" width="149" height="119" />First I do have to comment on the panelists &#8211; I had the pleasure of hearing a session at ASW08 where Clarke spoke on internet taxes in relation to affiliates and I have to tell you &#8211; this is the kind of lawyer you want in your Rolodex.  He&#8217;s extremely internet and tech savvy, which is always good when you&#8217;re talking about internet law.  He has experience doing affiliate marketing himself, so he can totally relate to your issues.  And he clearly knows his stuff.</p>
<p>Speaking of really knowing their stuff, Kim Rodgers is the ace affiliate manager who really knows what she&#8217;s doing, and has built her program up SO much it&#8217;s phenomenal.  I had the pleasure of sitting with her last night at the Affiliate Dinner (more on that later) and she really is a great AM and has the unique experience of being in the position of a company that initially culled their NY affiliates and now, after some changes internally, are able to welcome them back and have to regain their business (not to mention their trust).</p>
<p>So, the bullet point review of the panel:</p>
<ul>
<li>Networks can&#8217;t really give any advice to affiliates legally, so they&#8217;ve pretty much had to stay out of it.</li>
<li>Early in July, California explored the NY law and determined that affiliates don&#8217;t prove nexus, hence pretty much saying the opposite of what NY is.  Hopefully for those of us in California this means that they&#8217;ve gotten it out of their heads to try to mimic this.</li>
<li>Late in July the NY state senate approved a motion to repeal the tax, so while there&#8217;s not much news about this yet it&#8217;s a step in the right direction in terms of a repeal.</li>
<li>It&#8217;s important for affiliates to be willing to comply and work with their merchants to get through this and maintain a good relationship.</li>
<li>Affiliates in NY will have to give up a little privacy (like their NY address) in an effort to comply.</li>
<li>Merchants can simply add a small paragraph into their terms of service that NY based affiliates need to agree to specifically to comply with laws.</li>
<li>Affiliate managers need to follow up with the NY affiliates to make sure they&#8217;ve read the modified TOS and agree.</li>
<li>Merchants who kicked NY affiliates right away probably have a better chance of wooing them back than merchants who waited until the middle of June and then deactivated the NY affiliates retroactive to May 31st.  Melanie&#8217;s opinion?  &#8220;They don&#8217;t have a prayer.&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Some take-home answers from the open Q&amp;A:</p>
<ul>
<li>The law applies to merchants based in Canada as well  (unfortunately I couldn&#8217;t hear if they said it applied to international merchants too).</li>
<li>The law is not clear if nexus is established when a merchant has affiliates who make $10,000 per year <strong>aggregate</strong> or <strong>per affiliate</strong>.</li>
<li>Affiliate managers should <strong>not</strong> encourage their affiliates to incorporate their businesses in other states.  This is a poor work around (it&#8217;s not a solution) since, well, what if that state&#8217;s next to adopt a similar law?  You can&#8217;t keep reincorporating and it&#8217;s basically fraudulent anyway.</li>
<li>The state of Washington has come close with a similar law affecting internet sales and taxes.  Formerly, the tax rate on an internet sale was calculated based on where the merchant is located.  Now, it&#8217;s calculated based on where the order is shipping to.  This only applies within the state &#8211; for now.  (As an aside, I know that the California law is already like this and bases tax assessment on the shipping address, being that <a title="PsPrint" href="/urge/psprint.php" target="_blank">PsPrint</a> is based in California).</li>
<li>The federal government is also looking into these laws since we are talking about interstate commerce and may make a move soon, but it&#8217;s hard to say in what direction that move will be.</li>
</ul>
<p>If you caught anything I didn&#8217;t (ahem <a title="11|15 Media" href="http://www.1115media.com/" target="_blank">11|15 Media&#8217;s</a> Michael Buechele), please share with the rest of us!</p>
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